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    Conservatives mull changes to citizenship rules for babies born on Canadian soil

    A newborn baby is seen at the premature birth unit of a hospital in Istanbul.It's one of the oldest immigration tricks in the book: get pregnant, fly to another country, have your baby, and voila - you've got immigrant ties to said country.

    It even happens in Canada.

    According to the Toronto Sun, Ottawa has discovered a number of unscrupulous immigration consultants in Hong Kong, who are coaching wealthy Chinese mainlanders about how to keep their pregnancies hidden while entering Canada on student or visitor visas.

    "Avoid any baby or maternity items in luggage, wear dark clothing going through customs to look slimmer, and arrive in Canada no later than in the seventh month of pregnancy are among the tips given," notes the article.

    Once here, the women go into hiding until they are due to give birth and then go to a hospital to deliver the baby. And, because all babies born in Canada are considered citizens, they could return later in life as a student, for example, and sponsor their parents under family reunification.

    Immigration minister Jason Kenney admits his department isn't sure how widespread the problem is but is considering citizenship law changes to prevent so-called anchor babies from automatically becoming citizens.

    "We don't want people to get the idea that citizenship is a way to get a passport of convenience, that Canada is a country to be exploited," he told the Sun.

    Toronto based immigration attorney Michael Niren says he doesn't think anchor babies are a "growing problem" and that changing the citizenship rules would be like "throwing the baby out with the bath water."

    "Kenney is on a mission to clean up the immigration system from Refugee cases to Citizenship claims. Yes there are many broken aspects of our immigration system but I think he is going way to far here," Niren told Yahoo! Canada News.

    "The solution is not to terminate this method for citizenship all together.  Free societies like Canada have always granted citizenship to those born on their soil. This, in my view, should be a right not a privilege.

    "[Instead of changing the law,] I think more careful screening of applicants to Canada should be conducted. In some cases, medicals are required which would reveal pregnancies.  Sometimes the government gets ahead of itself and forgets that we are still a democracy."

    (CP Photo)

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    • bella  •  2 months ago
      I think the first step is cracking down on these "unscrupulous immigration consultants" who exploit the system and its loopholes for financial gain. Otherwise, they will simply move on to the next loophole, once this one closes.
      • JimM 2 months ago
        What about the 'unscrupulous immigrants' themselves!
        I don't want them in my country either.
      • Truth Hurts 2 months ago
        Those would be all over the worls and impossible to stop all of them.
      • Abbaddon 2 months ago
        It is impossible to crack down on the unscrupulous immigration consultants, because they are not located here; they are in the countries from where these "birth tourists" originate. Therefore, they are untouchable...
    • Dean  •  Toronto, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      Babies born in Switzerland are not citizens unless their parents are citizens... nothing wrong with that. Canada is the the first democratic society looking at this and won't be the last.
      • Dean 2 months ago
        ooops... meant to say "NOT" the first... oooops
      • Sileegoose 2 months ago
        and what happens to adoptive children?
      • Sileegoose 2 months ago
        switzerland dont stop people from traveling there or live there if you are not citizen. The whole thing they are doing this they think it will decrease population and people living in canada
    • Jake  •  Waterloo, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      Babies should be citizens of the country of residence of the parents. It should not be as a result of the country they happen to be born in.
      • Malak Ali 2 months ago
        Agree 100%
      • rka 2 months ago
        International law does not say that. If you born in China and your parents are Canadian, at the age 18 you can take to whom you want. CHina or CANADA.
      • Melissa 2 months ago
        I believe that one of the parents should be a citizen or in process of becoming a citizen before giving the baby citizenship. We have too many people in this world to just say oh born here then you are ours.
    • arrold  •  Greater Sudbury, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      Why is a child, born to a woman who is not in Canada legally, a Canadian citizen?? He/she is THAT person's child and should be considered a native of any country it's mother is from. All immigration rules should be adhered to. The child should have the same citizenship status as the mother.
      • Sango 2 months ago
        Then the problem comes when the mother's country say: Sorry, not born here, not citizen. Anyways the child will come back and study/work here, eventually become part of us, so what?
      • Sileegoose 2 months ago
        what happens when father take custody then.
    • Round Belly  •  2 months ago
      Lots of other nations have long ago ended this debate, you have to be a citizen to have a citizen baby.
      • Grra 2 months ago
        Lots? or just Saudi Arabia and Japan? Can you provide a source of the countries that would deny citizenship to people born there, because the parent isn't a citizen?
      • Sileegoose 2 months ago
        so what happens if the father or one mother is a canadian..does that mean even if the child born outside of canada is citizen?
      • Sileegoose 2 months ago
        because there are millions.
    • Meat Head  •  Langley, British Columbia  •  2 months ago
      What idiot ever thought that rule up should have had a lobotomy. This country has gone crazy with there imigration rules. I believe in imigration but we have be to alot stricter on these things.
    • redstarchow888  •  Markham, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      not only from china. but from all over the world....they are taking advantage of this for so many years and it is only now the govt is aware?what about the customs....were they blind not to see if the woman is pregnant? Time to change the law and now....no discussions or any feedback from those who profits from it....
    • Harry R. Sole  •  2 months ago
      Immigration lawyer only open their mouths when they know they're going to be out of work. They should throw the lawyer out with the baby and the bath water.
    • Shadow  •  Victoria, British Columbia  •  2 months ago
      It's insane, then they go back, hide their citizenship in the old country, and when a problem occurs, they start screeming "I'm a Canadian, I'm a Canadian, save me" and we pay for them.
    • Gilbert  •  2 months ago
      I'm going to make sure my next baby is born in China so he or she will be guaranteed of a job with Apple when he or she turns twelve.
    • Banned Thought  •  2 months ago
      Ireland had this problem, and before they could get a grasp on it, they had thousands coming to have babies, to the extent that Irish women were having trouble getting access to maternity wards, so filled were they with non citizens.

      So the Irish quickly changed their law, without a lot of announcement and or fanfare. One day it was just changed. Problem gone.

      While I loathe everything about the Reform/Alliance they are the only party that can deal with this. Do so with alacrity.
    • ROBERT  •  London, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      Stupid bloody lawyer!!! Typical response..doesn't want to lose his bread and butter.
    • Mark VI  •  Burlington, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      If - as the immigration lawyer said in the article - this is not a growing problem, then changing the rules shouldn't be a problem either. But changing the rules would affect his business, I'm guessing, which is why he opposes the change.

      In this region alone there have been two cases like this recently, of foreign citizens giving birth and then wanting to jump the queue to stay, applying for special permissions, court appeals, etc. Let's change the rules and prevent this nonsense. If people want to immigrate, they should get in line - like I did.
    • wonder  •  2 months ago
      Canada should be a democracy for Canadians and for the legal immigrants that came in the country the proper way not to be abused by outsiders. Any birth in Canada of tourist should not be made automatically Canadians. If the parents do not have landed immigrant status the offspring is not considered Canadian by birth. PERIOD.
    • gene  •  Montreal, Quebec  •  2 months ago
      an old racket that we have known about for years.its not just the asian who do this.
    • Mister_D  •  2 months ago
      I disagree with free loading immigrants being instant citizens because of birth in our country. Matter of fact, I would love to see a 10 year probationary period for all immigrants. With that, I mean, being productive, staying out of trouble, etc. If they are sincere, then all rules should be adhered to without any incident? If you break the rules, personally get in trouble or your immediate family member gets in trouble, bye bye! That means, no protesting on behalf of your country that you left within our borders. Within that 10 year probationary period that means contributing and forfeiting CPP and taxes while working here. That is a stiff penalty to pay you think? Well, the penalty our ancestors and early explorers paid to establish North America was also great. Why should modern day freeloaders from the Philipines, Indian, Pakistan, etc etc. get off scott free and also receive instant benefits like medicaire, jobs, welfare, free homes, etc.? All imiigrants must have something to offer our country, either by job experience or business related or monetary investment in our country. Just my thought, tired of Immigrants coming into our country and crying about making changes to accomodate their culture. I am still pissed off at the Sikhs and our government for allowing the turban into our police force, that was all wrong and it should be reversed.
    • Helene  •  Montreal, Quebec  •  2 months ago
      I worked for 12 years in the United Arab Emirates, and it was very common for pregnant women to get on a plane to Canada in their 7th or 8th month of pregnancy and deliver their babies here purely with the intention of obtaining a passport. It is a HUGE problem. Arabs of all nationalities were doing this, often in order to guarantee their child a place in a Canadian university later on. Then they don't have to pay international fees. They only pay regular fees. There are many other advantages as well, and Canada is seen as a cash cow because it is very easy to exploit our system.
    • Reasonable  •  Kitchener, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      I don't know the media quotes immigration lawyers......these are the very people that facilitate all the problems Canada has with illegal/fraudulant immigration.
      I have said for the longest time that babies born in Canada should have the citizenship of the parents......end of story. That will reduce all these "humanitarian" cases where the parents are illegals subject to deportation however they have a "Canadian" born child or two which then screws up the entire process
      As Mr. Burns said....no more anchor babies and no more scams.
    • Guru Pitka  •  2 months ago
      This law is redicullous. Though every living cell in my body opposes the conservatives and their policies, this one is a keeper. You have my blessings Mr Kenny, no more auto citizenship for babies born to non-citizens.
    • Shadow  •  Victoria, British Columbia  •  2 months ago
      It's insane, then they go back, hide their citizenship in the old country, and when a problem occurs, they start screeming "I'm a Canadian, I'm a Canadian, same me" and we pay

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