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    Is the Harper government planning harsher rules once omnibus crime bill passes?

    Canada's justice minister, Rob Nicholson, said "this is just the beginning" when he unveiled the Harper government's infamous 100-page omnibus crime bill last week, and he likely meant it.

    As the government used its 166-seat majority to impose closure on debate Tuesday to get the monster bill into the Commons justice committee for witness hearings, it was hard to imagine what could be left.

    The bill, which throws together nearly a dozen crime bills the Conservatives had on the Commons plate when Stephen Harper cut Parliament short for the May election, seems to address every remaining pet peeve Harper and Nicholson had left over, following an endless string of earlier crime bills since they first won power nearly six years ago.

    There are new mandatory minimum sentences, even for growing six marijuana plants for the purpose of trafficking, which would include handing just one joint over to a pal, higher maximum penalties for crimes, tougher sentencing for young offenders, more publicity in violent youth crimes and even a requirement police keep records of any "extrajudicial measures" they use to deal with young persons, presumably even stern lectures on the street corner, with a couple names jotted down in a notebook.

    It is a mystery, then, as to what, exactly, the Conservatives might have on their minds for the future, which will presumably take place over the course of the next four years while they still have their majority.

    If you listen to John Rosen, a prominent criminal defence lawyer in Toronto, there might be some clues.

    Rosen told Yahoo! Canada News he suspects, for this round, the Harper government's motives may be related to the justice and penal system in the U.S., where, thanks to HBO and any number of feature films about prison breaks and riots over the past few decades, we all know things are much, much tougher than they are in Canada.

    For one thing, not to mention the brutal conditions of prisons, most federal offenders in the U.S. serve 85 per cent of their time in jail before they can be released, compared to parole eligibility at one-third of a sentence, for most crimes, all but the most serious, in Canada.

    Rosen believes that is one area in which the U.S. was pressing the Canadian government to take measures that would level the playing field, hence the new higher maximum sentences, and the mandatory minimums, particularly in drug trafficking and production, and offences against children.

    But, as every expert, including prosecutors, testified in Parliamentary committees the last time around, when the measures in the omnibus bill were trundling through the Commons and the Senate as individual items, none of those stiffer penalties actually lowered crime rates in the States, and instead led to overcrowded prisons with condition so odious judges are ordering prisoners released because of basic human rights violations.

    "In the United States, they hand out draconian sentences," Rosen says. "They minimize your ability to work towards an earlier release."

    "The net effect is to fill the prisons, to the point of nearly bankrupting the system, and under their law people apply to the court, for overcrowding and so forth, and the court orders the government to release prisoners, so you get this mass release of people because they don't have enough beds."

    "California is on the brink of bankruptcy, so every once in a while 10,000 prisoners get let go because they can't afford to house them."

    Rosen suspects a prisoner transfer treaty Canada has with the U.S. might have been the biggest factor in any U.S. pressure for tougher drug and crime sentencing in Canada.

    But NDP MP Don Davies, a lawyer from British Columbia who has expertise in human rights law, says that was not the case. In fact, according to diplomatic cables between Ottawa and Washington, the U.S. government opposed a portion of the bill that deals with prisoner transfers.

    The section will actually make it tougher for the U.S. to transfer Canadian offenders imprisoned there to Canadian jails.

    The Harper government has resisted these transfers, says Davies. That is likely because, as mentioned earlier, prison conditions in Canada are better, and offenders can get out sooner, as long as they qualify for early release.

    So, it's no surprise the persons now in power in Ottawa, who believe past governments have been soft on crime, would rather these Canadian offenders remain in U.S. jails, where life is much harder.

    "What this will do is make it more difficult for Canadians serving sentences in places like the States to come here," Davies said. "The United States wants us to be taking our share of Canadian citizens back, just like we're repatriating their citizens as well."

    Davies says the omnibus bill "gives the minister unbelievable discretion to refuse a request for transfer. These changes would give the public safety minister virtually unlimited discretion."
    Which takes us back to the original question: what else could Harper and Nicholson have up their sleeves?

    Well, how about this? Maybe they plan to overhaul the entire sentencing system, the one that allows most offenders out if they qualify for parole after serving a third of their sentence.

    Now that would level the playing field.

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    147 comments

    • DAWN  •  7 months ago
      Yes, increase the time allowed for parol for the pediphiles, violent offenders, murderers, etc. They get out way too soon. However, while I don't smoke weed myself, I feel a long term jail sentence for passing a joint seems a little crazy and over the top.
    • MAREK  •  7 months ago
      "I have every sympathy with the American who was so horrified by what he had read about the effects of smoking that he gave up reading."
      • Bazz 7 months ago
        I've always liked that one..
    • eza  •  7 months ago
      "There are new mandatory minimum sentences, even for the possession of only six marijuana joints..." if babylon want to take me to jail for a couple joints in my pocket I will end up serving a sentence for assaulting a peace officer. Come and get me Stephen.
      • GOO 7 months ago
        Wrong, under 3 onces will be a fine, more will be a jail sentence
    • Please don't tickle m ...  •  7 months ago
      There's nothing like a good old fashioned crackdown .... to bankrupt a country. Or do think people are doing this for the good of the Country LOL.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 months ago
      why are they penalizing marijuana and minor offences but they do nothing about serious white collar crime? beats me..
      • mackraceing 7 months ago
        Exactly I believe Harper dodged a cpl of crime hearings.The cleaning of criminals must start at the top where real crime runs ramped.Someone should count the gold in the Canadian mint there has been a lot of criminals in charge there for a long time.
      • Malaspina 7 months ago
        White collar criminals vote for and fund the Republican Party of Canada!
    • breal  •  7 months ago
      What a great idea,next lets deregulate banks....................
    • pgmms420  •  7 months ago
      Jus look at his caucas,the squinty eyed Nicholson,Flathead,Rona ,I think he is boofing her.
      And last is this GOOFBALL Harpo,who we gotta stop this guy is dangerous........
    • Cuneiform  •  7 months ago
      Time to have a MASS smoke -in on parliament hill let's just see how fast the court can get over burdened and many serious criminals get of due to lengthy waits this has already happened in the past and the harpercrites can never learn from their past stupidity!
      • Rob 7 months ago
        It's time for a general revolt. If we don't get rid of harper we are screwed.
    • My Opinion  •  7 months ago
      Most of the time the lighter sentence has nothing to do with the allowable sentence for a crime and more to do with the Crown and the charges they choose to persue. If there is a murder but the evidence is not what the Crown would think of as a Guarentee conviction then for Man 1 then they either go for Man 2 or Manslauter. It has nothing to do with the Judge giving out weak sentencing. He is bound by case law or past history for the length of a sentence for the type of crime or it is realistic for the criminal to appeal and have the charges overturned.

      The problem is the evidence is not strong enough and our law states we must never convict based on perception but only on FACTS!
    • Sim  •  7 months ago
      I'm all for law and order, but following the obviously failed US model is, well...criminal.

      There's a parallel with healthcare here that should be highlighted. This story makes note of how the US has pressured Canada vis-a-vis our penal system - to "level the playing field" (ie: make things here harsher; conform to US policy). You might wonder why they care. Well, for decades, things like Canadian universal health care and our penal system were used as strong real-world arguments against conservative policies that obviously were less effective. Naturally, instead of changing US policy, there has been a consistent effort to discredit Canadian-made policy solutions. If you can ruin Canadian health care, progressives in the US don't have a valuable source of argumentation to use against their opponents. Just the fact that our violent crime rates are so low compared to the US has been a sore spot for conservatives down there: raising the crime rate in Canada answers that problem for them.

      Hence this new conservative crime bill, the outcome of which, in the long run, will be crime rates that more closely align with US comparables. Just think it through for a second: you build prisons, then fill them up with mandatory-minimum criminals (even for passing around that extra joint) and in a few years, you have a mass of young men in the prime of their working lives who are effectively unemployable upon release. Crime results. Just exactly as it has in the US.

      Why do we keep following the US model in all things, when we have TONS of data to show which policies aren't working, and we know for a fact why they aren't working? Ideological politics - pure and simple.
    • My Opinion  •  7 months ago
      I believe when creating any plan in life that one should always look at the cost vs benefit. I also think that living within ones means is important and think our government should too.

      Let's compare debt load of Harper vs Trudeau vs Chretien...

      Harper to date has increased our national debt level by 16,590 Million more than Trudeau ever did.

      He is also planning by 2013 to have our national debt levels at 13,037 Million more than the levels Chretien ever created.

      The sad thing is Trudeau created his debt over 14 years (total debt created 77,123 Million)

      Chretein created his over 10 years (total debt created 134,290 Million)
      Harper has been in office for 5.5 years. (total debt currently created 93,713 Million and by 2013 total of 147,327 Million)
    • aintanyleft  •  7 months ago
      i take it no insurance, bankers, polluters, lobbyist, fraudsters, employee abusers will get caught up in these new bills. Wait and see how many white rich kids go to jail for pot smoking.
    • sandrasandra31  •  7 months ago
      Want to hear something funny? I was reading on the internet (the news) that during the last federal election, of the inmates that voted, the majority voted for the Conservative government. Talk about irony!
    • My Opinion  •  7 months ago
      I was listening to a radio show today that had a judge as a guest answering questions on the current system. He said that he is obligated to punish only for crimes that the Crown puts forward. Many times he sees there could be more charges but Crown's case was mostly circumstantial thus they choose to go to the lower of charges instead of risking no conviction for the higher charges. This is something a Judge has no power over.
    • Barry  •  7 months ago
      sad that pot is so evil to harper. legalize it and the issue becomes mute. cigarettes do way more damage. some parts of the Bill are good get tough on criminals that hurt innocent people.
    • ergoscience  •  7 months ago
      Agree it is about time law breakers get stiff punishment. Especially youths who only get a slap on the hand and walk away with a big grin on their face. Youths who want to take adult kind of illegal actions should be punished as adults. You whinners who complain about tough punishments, will be the first to speak out and scream for justice when you or a member of your family gets attached, robbed, raped or killed. Stop trying to justify the actions of law breakers. They deserve punishment. Further, not every law breaker deserves to be released early. Early release and slaps on the hand for serious crimes has been given away for far too long in this country. That is why you have to lock your door and watch your back. Time to wake up.
    • travlyn_man  •  7 months ago
      What is needed is a swifter judicial system and a lot less leeches that are slowing justice down to line their already bulging bank accounts
    • bgrifcanada  •  7 months ago
      I have 6 joints right here and cancer ...so if that F**** harper wants to put me in jail good...he can drive my #$%$ to hosp for C treatments...or do I get death sentence.....he has stopped supplying cards for valid med users and not put a system in place to help them 1st.....I also know an MP's family member that actually grows a few plants...
    • pietro_bcc  •  7 months ago
      Excellent emulating the US is sure to eliminate the deficit... oh wait.

      Fact: Crime rates in Canada have been falling since the mid 70's because of our smart on crime strategies. We used to be a model of how to run our justice system, soon we will be a backwater. Thankfully this nonsense will only last a few more years.
    • libraiis  •  7 months ago
      Following America on any thing is going on a road to hell . They are finished ...the idiotic "war on drugs " has exploded the inner city problem to every nook and cranny of the USA. Thousands are in jail for the smallest thing, they execute citizens guilty or not...they are at war with the population and the crime rate gets worse each year , if you can belive the number's...
      They have created an jail industry that needs to be fed bodies and they dont care who's they get . Profit has to be made and destroying lives is not a concern...yes they put the spin on it..put the fear of God into every one and then you can do as you like .Now it is breaking the bank as well as lives ..still they will not change..
      Do we want that hell here? ..well some crazies do.. do average Canadians? ..I think not ..
      it may well prove to be Harpers Achilles heel ..if only the rest would get the act together and give Canadians a real choice to vote for. I hope they do or this maddness will get us where the USA is today. Hell.

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