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    How Mexico's criminal justice system differs from Canada's

    A Canadian woman who has been held for months in a Mexican jail without being formally charged has raised some questions about Mexico's criminal law system and procedures.

    Cyndy Vanier and three others, who are suspected of being involved in a plot to smuggle members of Libya's Gadhafi family to Mexico, have been detained for 80 days.

    But the detention is perfectly legitimate under Mexico's "preventive arrest" laws, also known as "arraigo." Under these laws, a judge can grant a prosecutor an "arraigo order." This gives the prosecutor the authority to hold up to 80 days those suspected of committing serious federal offences (usually related to organized crime) and allows them more time to gather evidence.

    After the 80 days, the suspect must either be released or be formally arrested (face charges) and have their case put before a judge. The judge will then have 72 hours to decide whether a trial should proceed.

    Confusing? Maybe. But just one example of how Mexico's criminal law system differs from Canada.

    On its website, Foreign Affairs offers a number of pointers for Canadians who may find themselves embroiled in Mexico's legal system, warning that those accused could face a lengthy time in detention until the judicial process runs its course.

    Canadians, like other foreigners in Mexico, are entitled to certain rights upon arrest. This includes being provided with an interpreter, the right to have Canadian authorities notified and the right to communicate with and have access to a consular officer.

    A person arrested in Mexico will either face federal or state charges, depending on the alleged offence.

    Federal offences include terrorism, drug trafficking, money laundering and child pornography and are prosecuted by the public ministry (Ministerio Publico).

    State/local offences include murder, attempted murder and theft. Drunken tourists acting disorderly are generally considered to be committing an infraction, not a criminal offence — the consequences usually being a fine or up to 36 hours of arrest.

    With federal or state criminal offences, the public ministry will conduct a preliminary investigation, usually taking a couple of days, to gather evidence to support an allegation.

    "When information is gathered and the office believes it has grounds to support an accusation, [the public ministry's] role changes and starts working as a formal prosecutor like in Canada … and stops working as investigator," said Guillermo Cruz, a Mexican legal consultant now based in Toronto.

    The ministry will put the case before a judge who has 72 hours to decide if the prosecutor provided enough information and evidence to support a case. (The suspect can ask for the time period to be extended for another 72 hours, if they think it will help their case.)

    After the 72 hours, the judge must render one of three decisions: the accused is to proceed to trial, the accused proceeds to trial under different charges, or the accused should be released due to lack of evidence.

    If the judge believes there's enough evidence for a trial, a detention order will be issued. Bail is not common and not an option for those accused of serious criminal offences like murder or attempted murder.

    Trials are much different than those in Canada. As Cruz said, the judge "is the trier of fact and the trier of law" meaning no jury is present. The judge decides whether the defendant is innocent or guilty and imposes the sentence.

    The first stage of a trial is conducted over several hearings where arguments and witness testimony are written down — there is no live testimony from witnesses or lawyers. The judge is not actively involved in this process, unless serious disputes arise, according to Foreign Affairs.

    There are also no courtrooms. The accused "usually watches from a protected area while the lawyers and court officials huddle around a typewriter or a computer, often for hours at a time," according to Foreign Affairs.

    The judge will then open the next stage, or the conclusion stage, of the trial and ask the prosecutor to provide the specific accusation against the accused and propose a penalty based on all the evidence. The defendant will reply to the accusation and will be able to give evidence supporting their innocence.

    Cruz said the judge then declares the case closed and moves to the sentencing stage, where the judge reviews the whole case and decides guilt or innocence of the defendant and the penalty.

    For federal offences, the trial must be conducted within 10 months, with the judge given an extra two months to reach a decision.

    Cruz said the trial duration for state offences can differ, depending on the state, but shouldn't take more than a year.

    But a judge has only four months to reach a verdict when the maximum possible sentence is less than two years.

    The defendants can also appeal their verdicts.

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    23 comments

    • The ANTI-SUPERHERO  •  3 months ago
      Oh, please....For those who have never lived south-of-the-border...let me clarify things for you. The trials are CLOSED-COURT..that is correct...nobody watches..nobody sees WHO GIVES MONEY TO WHO. Justice is seldom served as there is no opportunity to argue or explain a given point because NO LIVE TESTIMONY IS GIVEN OR PERMITTED. What this means is....the minute you are grabbed by the police...you must begin the process of GREASING. In Mexican-Spanish it is know as the 'bite'. The officers arresting or holding you are expecting a bribe and now it is just a simple matter of KNOWING how much and WHO to grease. Nobody cares if you are truly guilty, you can become innocent of anything as long as you pay and pay quickly. However, you must not let the legal problem get to the CLOSED COURT STAGE...you are screwed at this point, never let a legal problem come to a trial in Mexico. But, on the bright side, the Judge can be paid off but this is going to be expensive...not as expensive as bribing an American or Canadian judge...but expensive nevertheless. For those nabbed by Mexican authorities...remember that the Mexican laws are FLEXIBLE and a little bit of grease applied at the right moment will make the problem go away. And when you are free....RUN! The vultures may decide to find some other excuse to squeeze more pesos out of you. Brought to you by...ONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO DO IT.
      • MM 3 months ago
        Thanks Batman
      • booboo 3 months ago
        i've got a better idea......STOP GOING TO MEXICO!!!!!
    • A Yahoo! User  •  Kelowna, British Columbia  •  3 months ago
      The Clever Maxecians do not have the stupid charter of rights for the criminals, justis is served , not like Canada , the criminals have a holidy hotel in prison.
    • mike oxbig  •  Burlington, Ontario  •  3 months ago
      who cares...ill never go to dirty mexico anyway
    • Abe Paul  •  Mississauga, Ontario  •  3 months ago
      Their system is different, not better or worse.
      In Canada, this woman, who appears to be guilty of trying to get Gadhaffi relatives to safety would probably get off. But she was caught in a country that does NOT favour the guilty over the innocent, and she and her accomplicies will have to pay for her crimes!
      • Jackal Va 3 months ago
        Not better or worse? You have no idea what you are talking about.
      • V 3 months ago
        You talk like you know what she did. You don't know squat. She was hand-picked from a crowd for greasing and the charges were invented for all we know. She may have been doing nothing more than sitting in one place for a long enough time for her to be scouted then pounced on. What was she caught doing? Do you know? You don't.
      • Violet 3 months ago
        or she just may be the scapegoat, who knows? you really trust mexican police to do this case? cmon, its universally known they are the most corrupt on the planet.
    • jaypeacdn  •  3 months ago
      Ok we are goun to cho u how di system she works. In Mehico you are guilty until chu pay enouf mooney to be inncent......claro?
    • Ivanthehorrible  •  3 months ago
      we should have a contract with Mexico to take our most violent offenders and have their sentence served in one of the classy Mexican prisons...how much that would save the Canadian taxpayer?...what are the chances of surviving an extended stay in a Mexican gulag?...what are the chances of having a better attitude if they survive?...
      • Violet 3 months ago
        probably they would want to hunt someone down who did that to them. i mean yeah lets murder people, send them into tourcher for marijuana posession. yeah your right, cant wait till your children go down there for vacation, something tells me you have the money to pay everyone off.
    • concerned British Columbi ...  •  Vancouver, British Columbia  •  3 months ago
      Overwhelmingly, Canadian criminal trials do not have juries. All criminal trials in Provincial Court in Canada can never have a jury - and most Canadian criminal trials stay in Provincial Court. Some criminal trials occur in Supreme Court but, even then, most trials are "judge alone".
      • Violet 3 months ago
        um did you forget that its illegal for someone to give legal advice in canada without being certified. oh i guess you just "forgot", you have a choice, judge or jury
    • Quint  •  Montreal, Quebec  •  3 months ago
      Mexico has more tourists in jail than they do drug dealers and murderers
    • Vote for Pedro  •  3 months ago
      I know the difference, in Mexico there isn't one, and I am Mexican ;)
    • jc  •  3 months ago
      @Anti-Superhero - ABSOLUTELY true! I lived close to the border near Ciudad Juarez/El Paso and we all knew to take extra cash to Mexico... just in case. If you are stopped by a traffic police officer, you better pull out a couple bucks quick! Dont let them take you to the police station, because then it will cost you a lot more. If you are already at the police station, you better call someone to get you a lot more money so you can bribe them and get out quick and run home. You do not want to stay there any longer than you have to. Each day that passes will cost you more as people jump into the bandwagon and instead of paying 2 or 3 people off, you are now paying a list of a lot more and the bribe keeps having to grow and grow. What was enough yesterday, is no where close to what it will be tomorrow. Like he said above, you DO NOT WANT TO GET TO the CLOSED COURT before the judge because it is very likely you will not be able to afford it. If the only way out is to give them your car, when they stop you, DO IT and save your head! By the way if you drive over there and you dont have the car's title showing full ownership in your name, your car is considered stolen and confiscated. The fees to get your car back AFTER YOUR RELATIVE BRINGS YOU THE CAR'S TITLE.... if you happen to agree to "follow them" to the police department will be equal to MORE than what your car is worth, so you either pay them off before you get to the police station or you might as well say good bye to your car and chalk it off to experience and be grateful you are still alive after you leave Mexico. Oh and Canada or USA will not be able to get involved as Canada, USA and Mexico are different countries and forced to respect each others form of government. "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK" Should be the sign welcoming foreign people into Mexico. There should be a Survivor reality show of people travelling to Mexico... to see how many make it back unharmed.
    • First L  •  3 months ago
      Yep it is different alright ..you call the cops and never know who will come ...then you pay a bribe..then all of a sudden the filthy jail door opens ...I'm gonna get me a ticket to that Mexico ...NOT on your life
    • al m  •  Vancouver, British Columbia  •  3 months ago
      Did you know that Canada has the largest population of incarcerated people awaiting trial? They are innocent yet kept in jail. So Canadian Press make a better job researching and balancing your stories.
    • glenn  •  3 months ago
      first and formost what did she do she tried to smuggle the gadhaffi clan so why should she be spared lock her up and throw the key away
    • once proud canuck...  •  Georgina, Ontario  •  3 months ago
      Having trouble feeling sympathy for Ms. Vanier. She's already been in hot water a couple of times with the Canadian authorities previous to her ordeal in Mexico. But in Mexico, just being seen with others who have been charged, that makes her guilty by association. What was she thinking, she could behave as she pleased knowing that Canada would bail her out. Do your time, lady. Maybe next time you'll think of the consequences of being "Locked Up Abroad".
    • Montrealer  •  3 months ago
      No matter how strict laws are made if the justice system are full of corrupt personnel from Judges, prosecutors, lawyers,law enforcement officers and politicians, there will be virtually no law at all. Look how those drug cartels are lording it over there. No one can do anything about it, plus other crimes and lawless elements are on the rise and not even checked. Mexico is worse than a pigsty. If only this Cyndy Vanier have millions to spare, her name will not even be mentioned and she will be free in a huff.
    • Lark  •  3 months ago
      Doesn't mean it's wrong, just different.
    • Jackal Va  •  Burlington, Ontario  •  3 months ago
      The reality.....pay the police a bribe before an arrest is made.The entire legal system is totally corrupt but negotiable. Folks should keep this In mind when planning a vacation.
    • OMG_OMG  •  3 months ago
      OMG!!! Maybe its's different because.. ummm, we have one?
    • inhisgrace007  •  3 months ago
      Mexican police in many areas of the country are corrupt....Therefore, I do not trust this article is painting the right picture of how things are done in Mexico.
    • Canada First  •  3 months ago
      So, morons, when you go to third world countries, make sure you are familiar with the local laws before you decide to break them. I have little sympathy for Canadians who do this and you are stupid enough to deserve what you get.
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