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    Quebec students must take ethics-religion course

    Canada's top court on Friday rejected an appeal from parents in Quebec who sought the right to keep their children out of an ethics and religious culture program taught in the province's schools.

    The program, which was introduced in 2008 to elementary and high schools by the provincial Education Ministry, replaced religion classes with a curriculum covering all major faiths found in Quebec culture, including Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and aboriginal beliefs.

    "Exposing children to a comprehensive presentation of various religions without forcing the children to join them does not constitute an indoctrination of students that would infringe the freedom of religion of L and J [the appellants]," Madam Justice Marie Deschamps wrote in the main ruling.

    "Furthermore, the early exposure of children to realities that differ from those in their immediate family environment is a fact of life in society. The suggestion that exposing children to a variety of religious facts in itself infringes their religious freedom or that of their parents amounts to a rejection of the multicultural reality of Canadian society and ignores the Quebec government’s obligations with regard to public education."

    The top court said that the appellants had not proven that the ethics and religion course infringed their freedom of religion, nor that the refusal of the school board to exempt their children had violated their constitutional rights.

    In 2009, Quebec's Superior Court rejected a request from two Drummondville parents who wanted to keep their children out of the program.

    After their appeal was denied in Quebec in 2010, the parents took it to the Supreme Court, which heard their case in May 2011.

    When the program became mandatory in Quebec schools in May 2008, the appellants, who cannot be named under a court-ordered publication ban, had one child in elementary school and another in secondary school.

    The parents wrote to the two schools to request that their children be exempt from the courses.

    They claimed their children would suffer serious harm from contact with a series of beliefs that were mostly incompatible with those of the family,

    The school board refused to grant the exemption, responding as other boards had to similar requests. The Quebec minister of education publicly stated that there would be no exemptions.

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    • BC  •  3 months ago
      People are overreacting. I took the religion class last year (I was in grade 11, or sec 5 here in Quebec; also had it in grade 9). It's NOT about indoctrinating children in any way; it's about presenting the world's major religions in a historical and realistic way. The course simply tells you what people believe in; how many people believe in it; what kind of rituals do they perform; the way it is organized; etc. No favoritism given to any single religion, as they were all seen as equal. In fact, this is a good way to make children realize that their religion is nothing special; and that they're simply a matter of being born in x location.

      Ironically, the classes helped me become an atheist (I was raised Catholic) after realizing that Christianity is merely a mumba jumba among the thousands of mumba jumbas that have ever existed. Besides, even if you're a non-believer, it's still very important to know other people's absurd beliefs. (They actually had a survey in America that found that Atheists knew more about religion than members of religious groups)
      • Kell 3 months ago
        More and more I am becoming convinced that it is a truism that the religiously devout believe in their "holy" books, but atheists actually "read" the holy books.
      • BC 3 months ago
        Well, Mark Twain once said: "The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." I totally have to agree with this. I wasn't very religious before but I just went with the flow. It wasn't until I became an atheist that I started reading the Bible and realized just how absurd the stories about Adam/Eve, Noah's ark, etc. are. Not to mention the grizzly stories about cutting 200 foreskins as dowry and God summoning two she-bears to mutilate children for making fun of a bald guy's head, etc.
      • BC 3 months ago
        And the thousands upon thousands of contradictions contained therein...
    • mike S  •  Honolulu, United States  •  3 months ago
      furthermore..they should teach athiesm as well..another belief system which is a reality in our world..NOtice that many of the worlds problems stem from religions.
      • ttawabob 3 months ago
        They do
      • Don 3 months ago
        Yeah your right Mike, there has been so much bloodshed from this Fairy Tail so called religion.
    • Frylock  •  3 months ago
      I always thought social science in schools (especially History courses) took care of understanding regions. Why all this extra fuss ???
      • Frylock 3 months ago
        sorry "religions"
      • Try to THINK 3 months ago
        Just a couple fruit cakes looking for their name to be in the press and probably a payday should the court decide in their favour. Just like the Air Canada incident where the guy couldnt order his beer in French even though he spoke English, I am sure they intend to go to the Human Rights board for some money should the court find in their favour.
      • The Source 3 months ago
        they used to but now we have to accept that, as a multicultural society, we need to know that Kwanza is just as important as Christmas. Even if its not.
    • Greg  •  3 months ago
      I'm jewish and I sent my kids to catholic school. I wont burn in hell because we don't have hell. They might as well understand how the other half lives.. UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER!
      The french could learn a lot from that.
      • _______ian 3 months ago
        greg, rest assured: your dead body will never rise from the dead :)
        no hell, but also no gift of the afterlife for the sinners in judaism
      • waynechase11 3 months ago
        IAN...Christ was a jew and he supposedly rose up..so much for your comment.
      • _______ian 3 months ago
        waynechase11, I was talking from the JUDAISM point of view: there's no hell or heaven. The good jews and some non-jews (the former have actually have a shorter do's and don't's list to qualify) will enjoy the afterlife. the sinners will disappear.
    • btrow1946  •  3 months ago
      Organized religion has been the cause of countless horrors throughout history. Teach ethics, morals, spirituality but leave organized religion out of it!
      • The Source 3 months ago
        you mean organized religion is responsible for things like the 1st WW 15million dead, the Stalin regime 30 million dead, WW2 50 million dead, Mao's regime 40 million dead, Korean War 3 mill. dead, Rwanda 1.5 million dead, Yugoslvia Bosnia 400,000 dead, Somalia 400,000 dead, Viet Nam 430,000 postwar dead, Cambodia 2 million dead,
        Just to mention a few plus all the tortures, starvations, destruction of properties maimings, rapes etc etc. Is organized religion behind all these?? dumass!
      • Phil Rollen 3 months ago
        the source you are dumb. he didn't say religion was responsible for those specfic things. like all morons who believe in fairy tales, you like to change the subject when it suits you.
    • masterrythm  •  3 months ago
      do they also teach the agnostic or atheist beliefs?
    • montreal gal  •  Montreal, Quebec  •  3 months ago
      My son went through the French School board system CSMV and he has never had religion.We were given the choice of religious or moral education and chose moral.Within this subject he never ONCE had any form of religion in school. He graduates from French secondary this year.Something doesn't quite make sense to me reading this article.
    • Ryuu  •  3 months ago
      When I was in school we were "forced" to take an Moral and Religious Education class. There were no exemptions then and there are none now. Religion was only talked about in a general way, most of the materiel was theoretical rather than specific.
      Now, I'm not a proponent of religion, but sticking our fingers in our childrens ears will definitely do more harm than good in the long run. These parents should be happy that they were even listened to by the government before they were told they were wrong.
      Parents like this are a big part of what's wrong with society, saying things like "My child doesn't need to know anything other than what I approve of." They should get over themselves and let their child learn. They have no idea what children go through when they are labeled by their pears as even slightly different, they're only making it worse by raising a stink.
    • kyle  •  Barrie, Ontario  •  3 months ago
      If there are any Ontario residents reading, your tax dollars fund this mandatory indoctrination by paying for the Catholic School system. Interestingly, the Catholic high school religion courses aren't mandatory, but good luck getting the Catholic Board to admit it. They will argue the advantage of the courses in Ontario but in Quebec the Catholics fight to be exempt! How many reasons do we need to stop this in Ontario? Costs, fairness, hypocracy? What?
    • Seph  •  3 months ago
      As long as it’s not indoctrinating, I don’t see the problem. Even back when I was a kid, there were people from various cultures. This is basically your regular “morality” (cours de morale? not sure what’s the exact English expression) course, the one that was taught before, with an added focus on what people of different culture believe in; something that was taught 20 years ago, when I was in school. Except now it’s not just a footnote.

      I think it’s a good way to teach acceptance of other cultures, and that it ultimately promotes more freedom to think, as you have multiple viewpoint, not just one.
    • snark  •  Ottawa, Ontario  •  3 months ago
      The same group contesting the religious program, should also be given a questionnaire to fill out regarding the teaching of the concept of evolution. Just so we can all know who we're really dealing with.
    • como  •  Halifax, Nova Scotia  •  3 months ago
      We should have 1 school system.If you want religion taught,teach them all If you want a certain religion tayght do it on week eands.Look how much money would be freed up to pay for our children to go all the way through school. if religious orders want to get involved in Govt they should now have to pay taxes.
    • Geep  •  3 months ago
      What are the parents so afraid of? What, their faith is so tenuous that even hearing about another religion will shatter it? Force kids into ignorance?
    • martin  •  Burnaby, British Columbia  •  3 months ago
      Same here, these subject should now be part of History lessons & increase science education to increase societies knowledge and put an end to religious wars.
    • Dave  •  3 months ago
      religon should not be taught in schools -- just the historical part of it -- leave religon to the parents -- not the schools !
    • Dragon  •  Calgary, Alberta  •  3 months ago
      What an EXCELLENT concept. I grew up with virtually no religious teachings except a couple of weeks at sunday school before the preacher asked for part of my dads income. I don't need religion but I would probably feel more comfortable around others that seem to need it if I knew more about their beliefs.
    • PLANNER...  •  Montreal, Quebec  •  3 months ago
      I would think that money could be better spent teaching them to read write and do simple mathematics. Most kids today cant do simple arithmetic without a calculator.
    • Mahmoud  •  Langley, British Columbia  •  3 months ago
      religion is not a sciencee.one should have the freedom of belief
    • Sandrine Dahl  •  3 months ago
      Keep all religious teachings in the home where it belongs. I send my kid to school so she can be educated not indoctrinated.
    • nick123deci  •  Montreal, Quebec  •  3 months ago
      I don't see why ancient fairy tales have any relevance in school! There are way too many people who believe in these ridiculous myths!! I don't see any use for morals courses either unless it is to debunk religonuts dogma!
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