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    Retirement income changes won't be sudden, government says

    Any changes to retirement income won't be sudden, but the government isn't ruling out any options for restructuring the system, Minister of State for Finance Ted Menzies said Friday.

    In an interview with Rosemary Barton on the CBC News Network, Menzies says the government wants to make sure the system in place now can be sustained in the future.

    "I don't think we'd change anything overnight," he said.

    "We're looking at all options right now. We're looking at all options that make it sustainable."

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper told world leaders Thursday that Canada's retirement income system will see some "necessary" changes in the coming months.

    While his keynote speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Thursday was short on details, Harper said Canada's aging population "poses a threat" to the country's social programs and services.

    "We have already taken steps to limit the growth of our health-care spending … We must do the same for our retirement income system," Harper said Thursday.

    Officials said details on some of the initiatives will come in the spring budget.

    In his speech, Harper said the Canada Pension Plan, the "centrepiece of that system," was fully funded and would not be changed.

    However, he added, "For those elements of the system that are not funded, we will make the changes necessary to ensure sustainability for the next generation."

    Menzies said the retirement income funds were never intended to be a full retirement package, and that the government is providing other tools to save for life after working.

    "Canadians have always been expected to contribute to their own retirement as well," he said.

    The number of Canadians over 65 will rise to 9.3 million in 2030 from 4.7 million in 2010. Officials noted the cost of OAS benefits is pegged to almost triple to $108 billion a year in 2030 from $36.5 billion in 2010.

    OAS is a cornerstone of the retirement security system and, together with the Guaranteed Income Supplement, has been the main reason poverty among seniors in Canada is so low. But since the population is aging and the number of taxpayers is dwindling, the program is seen as unsustainable in its current form.

    Numbers provided by Harper's office say there were four taxpayers for every senior in 2010, but by 2030 it will drop to two taxpayers for every senior.

    A recent report by parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page found the government's decision to limit increases to provincial health transfers meant it could balance the budget faster.

    In an email Friday to CBC's Julie Van Dusen, Page said the hints at "more significant program spending restraint" suggest the government is serious about eliminating its structural deficit.

    "This does raise the question of whether all this austerity will go to deficit and debt reduction, or is the government creating additional fiscal room for new programs or tax changes?" Page said.

    "At this point, we lack the details on policy direction and the government's own analysis of its medium- and long-term fiscal challenges."

    However, Treasury Board president Tony Clement, the minister in charge of finding $4 billion to $8 billion in cuts expected in the next budget, said Thursday Old Age Security isn't going to be cut.

    "There are about $200 billion in the federal budget that [relate] to transfers to individuals for things like Old Age Security or EI, or transfers to provinces. Those are all ring-fenced. We're not looking at those," Clement said in Toronto, seeming to contradict the prime minister.

    An internal memo from the Prime Minister's Office to supporters says the government will make sure seniors keep getting all the benefits they get now.

    "To be clear: there will be no changes to the benefits seniors currently receive," said the memo, obtained by CBC News.

    "We will ensure any changes are done with substantial notice and adjustment period and in a way that does not affect current retirees or those close to retirement, and gives others plenty of time to adjust and plan for their retirement."

    At his speech in Europe, Harper listed a number of major changes the Canadian government wants to make. Besides OAS, he also mentioned tackling a lack of innovation and science and technology, and using immigration policy to bulk up the labour force, but didn't provide any specific changes.

    In an interview with CBC chief correspondent Peter Mansbridge on Jan. 16, Harper said the government would look at public sector pensions and MP pensions as it heads into a period of austerity and deficit fighting. Critics say the public sector pensions are more generous than those private sector workers get, and MPs get a guaranteed interest rate funded by taxpayers rather than out of market investments.

    On Monday, when the House of Commons returns, MPs will debate a bill on pooled registered pension plans, a voluntary defined contribution program relying on the stock market for returns. The bill, introduced by Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, will be at second reading stage in the House and still has to be debated there and in committee.

    The government has been contemplating changes to the retirement security system for years. One option could be to raise the age at which people can claim benefits.

    NDP finance critic Peter Julian said it would be "completely unacceptable" to ask Canadians to work until 67 rather than 65 before qualifying for OAS — a change that remains purely speculative at this point.

    "The ominous words, because we don't have any details yet, I think are a slap in the face to Canadian seniors," Julian said at a news conference in Ottawa on Thursday.

    The government might also try to shift some OAS recipients to the self-financing CPP system by creating new options for them.

    CBC News Network business commentator Kevin O'Leary said any discussion of pension reform is cause for concern.

    "When you talk about pension reform, not only in Canada but anywhere on the globe … it means you're not going to get your money. That's the code for what it is. It's simply the system is broken."

    With interest rates effectively at zero, the people who manage pension funds have no way to make income without taking inordinate risks, O'Leary said.

    "This is a fundamental issue … for elderly people who were not anticipating this. We always had this philosophy in Canada that, don't worry, the government will take care of you … those days are over."

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    29 comments

    • Canadian  •  Toronto, Ontario  •  25 days ago
      The Harper Government spent one billion dollars on the G8 fiasco which could have gone to many other services, including the Canadian pension plan. In addition, I do not understand the usual government emphasis on immigration as a means to replenish Canadian workforce. We currently have a 7.5 % unemployment rate, there are over 1,500,000 students registered in universities and colleges and every year 250,000+ students graduate from universities, there are over 350,000 registered apprentices across the country with approximately 25,000 ready for the workforce every year. It makes sense for these students to be given priority and rewarded with jobs after studying here in Canada and not to have to compete with newcomers in what is still a limited job market and an unsure economy.
    • Bill  •  Wakefield, New Brunswick  •  25 days ago
      Yeah, he's right, the government won't take care of you - they just take care of themselves with their gold plated retirement pensions and benefits.
    • April  •  Vancouver, British Columbia  •  25 days ago
      Harper said that existing pensioners will not be affected by the change. In another word, those who deferred getting their CPP, who opt to work, plan & save more for a less stressful retirement, lured into the decision in part by the Govt.'s promise of a higher monthly CPP rate, will be penalized. That is what we get from being responsible & in trusting our Govt. ? A lesson to be learnt indeed.
    • S.SRB  •  Burlington, Ontario  •  26 days ago
      How about Cutting Harper's Government Pension of Over $6+Million?
    • S  •  Toronto, Ontario  •  26 days ago
      If that's what he thinks is best for the country, put it out there and let the voters decide.
      But to announce it in a foreign country, then take it back when the shjt hits the fan....?
      That's just no vision, no guts and no brains.
      Who voted for this joker....?
    • g--man  •  26 days ago
      why dosnt harper and his cronies take a look at their own pensions.this is what you get when you elect a reform party.so senior canadians have to put up with this bullshit in order to keep a base of 32% of canadians happy.what a bunchof boneheads(cons).we should kick harper and his base out of this country and his crony members as well.
    • GovernmentCorruption  •  27 days ago
      What we should do is put all our federal politicians on a ship.

      And sink it and start all over from scratch with the exception that all political parties would be banned, allowing each MP to vote with the best interests of his constituency in mind.
    • R*  •  25 days ago
      Start with your obcene pensions first , we the people didnt vote for you to have these obcene pensions, so you first .
    • fourwheeler2375  •  27 days ago
      Harperstein says there is no money for seniors but watch ...he will have all the money needed to build up the Canadian Armed Forces.....what a TRAITOR TO CANADA
    • law w  •  25 days ago
      How about the billions spent on foreign aid while we have children and eldely going hungry right here at home every day?. Why don't you try and wrap your wee head around that problem Harper?
    • Tom w  •  Calgary, Alberta  •  26 days ago
      If Harper did not buy all this extra military jets and go back to just peace keeping there would be money for pensions
    • law w  •  25 days ago
      "changes won't be sudden"..Wow! Take on all the Boomers who are just retireing,Talk about your political suicide.Good luck with this brain storm.
    • S.SRB  •  Burlington, Ontario  •  25 days ago
      Harper Reformers increased the size of Government by 13+% and Harper PMO increased 40+% to the Largest PMO in Canadian History Added to Canada Federal Debt $579+BILLION.
    • R*  •  26 days ago
      Only has money for his and other mp pensions and to build his war machine , austerity meaqsures for the rest of canada , bend over people this is gonna hurt you more then him .
    • Big Dog  •  26 days ago
      Stop spending 1.2 Billion on the CBC and put it in pensions, get rid of the human rights commision, the parol board, the CRTC and bunch of other government ajencies.
    • Tom w  •  Calgary, Alberta  •  25 days ago
      No one can trust Harper, he will cut old age pensions right away. He will also start building the pipelines this spring
    • gene  •  Vancouver, British Columbia  •  25 days ago
      Hey, I'm a young 71, has anyone have some work? That way the government slugs can retire at full pension regardless of age.
    • j  •  25 days ago
      Immediate change... cap ALL civil Servant and Gov't pensions at $5,000/month which would save us $18,000/month on Harper alone
    • beinghere2002  •  Edmonton, Alberta  •  25 days ago
      Currently OAS takes up 2.4% of Canada's GDP, according to the gov't's own stats it will increase by 0.73% peaking to 3.14% of GDP 2031. Italy, currently spends 14% of its GDP on OAS.

      Even with doing next to nothing, Canada is far away from any "Crisis" in OAS---In fact it could be IMPROVED, not DISMANTLED like Harper would do.

      Harper purposefully "manufactured" the present deficit, after inheriting a $13 billion surplus from the previuos Liberal gov't. He did this by shaving 2 points off the GST and by cutting corporate taxes by a 1/3.
      With this "manufactured" deficit, Harper is able to justified pushing through a idealogically driven agenda that favours corporatism over social and environmental responsiblitity.
    • Electric Chuck  •  Winnipeg, Manitoba  •  25 days ago
      If politicians had any credulity, they would postpone their own mega-pensions (provided by us, surprise, surprise) along with the rest of us.

      The troughers are snorting very loud again. Oink.
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