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    Our Sun May Have Been Bigger Long Ago

    Standard models predict that our sun was much dimmer in its youth, but devising a way to keep the early Earth from freezing over has not been easy for climate modelers. An alternative solution — currently being reexamined by a group of researchers — is to assume our sun started out a bit heftier (and therefore brighter) than expected.

    Most stars tend to increase in luminosity as they get older. This is due to their cores becoming denser and thus hotter over time. Assuming our sun has followed this same trend, one can estimate that it was 30 percent fainter 4.5 billion years ago.

    "The faint young sun presents us with a paradox, because the predicted temperatures on Earth and Mars would have been too cold for liquid water," said Steinn Sigurdsson of Penn State University.

    Too cold for liquid water? Not likely. Evidence in the oldest rocks suggests that Earth had liquid oceans as far back as 4.4 billion years ago. On Mars, scientists have built up a case that it too was warm and wetaround 4 billion years ago. [7 Biggest Mysteries of Mars]

    To avoid the so-called "faint young Sun paradox," scientists over the past 25 years have explored taking the sun off the "standard" evolution curve. By starting off with a smidgen more mass, the early sun would be bright enough to maintain liquid water temperatures on Earth and Mars. The catch is that the sun would need to have had an extremely powerful solar wind to blow off the excess mass and return it to its "normal weight."

    Sigurdsson and his colleagues are tackling this problem anew. With funding from the NASA Astrobiology Institute, they will use improved computer models along with the most recent solar data to compare various scenarios, as well as look for possible signatures in the sun that might reveal a "crash diet" in its past.

    Greenhouse solution

    The young massive sun hypothesis doesn't get a lot of attention these days.

    "I think it is a plausible hypothesis, which has not found great favor with the traditional climate science community," said Renu Malhotra of the Lunar Planetary Lab at Arizona State University, who is not involved with the current project. She wonders if others see it as a bit too easy, like cutting the Gordian knot.

    The more popular approach is to try to boost temperatures with an enhanced greenhouse effect. [Top 10 Surprising Results of Global Warming]

    When Carl Sagan and George Mullen first identified the faint young sun paradox in 1972, they proposed to solve it by having ammonia, a powerful greenhouse gas, trap heat in the Earth's early atmosphere. But it was later shown that ultraviolet light from the sun would quickly destroy this ammonia.

    Most of the current attention is on models that assume the early Earth was blanketed by large quantities of carbon dioxide (as much as 100 times the current levels). However, this doesn't jibe with the geologic record, in which siderite (FeCO3) — a mineral that forms readily in high CO2 conditions — is largely absent in the oldest rock samples.

    Even if one could find enough greenhouse gases to keep Earth warm, this route doesn't seem plausible for Mars. Being farther from the sun, the Red Planet would need an unfeasibly large greenhouse effect. The amount of carbon dioxide needed, for example, is so high that clouds of CO2 begin to form, reflecting heat away rather than trapping it.

    "There's no greenhouse solution for Mars," Sigurdsson said. "But geochemists may not be ready to give it up."

    The winds of change

    The lack of a clear climate resolution to the paradox leaves the door open for tweaking the initial mass of the sun.

    Previous work has found that this "open door" is really just a small window; the increase in solar mass has to be somewhere between 2 and 5 percent. Any less and the Earth won't warm up enough. Any more and the sun evolves into a different star than we know it to be.

    Sigurdsson's team is exploring this mass range using a new stellar evolution computer model, called MESA, that is more sophisticated than previous ones. The open source code was developed at the Kavli Institute for Physics by Bill Paxton and collaborators.

    Besides the mass, the researchers can adjust other relevant parameters, like the relative concentration of elements that the sun starts off with, as well as the degree of turbulence inside the sun's churning plasma.

    "We have a lot more data on the sun now to tighten the constraints on our models," Sigurdsson says.

    The tricky part is to have the solar wind slough off the extra mass in just the right amount of time.

    If the current solar wind had been constant over the lifetime of the sun, then our star would have lost only about 0.05 percent of its mass. Most scientists believe the solar wind was stronger in the past, but how much stronger is debatable.

    To provide enough planet warming without overstepping any solar constraints, the sun had to lose the extra mass in roughly the first few hundred million years, Sigurdsson said. That implies a solar wind that is about 1,000 times faster than what we currently observe.

    "You can likely find people that will say it is not feasible, but we need better observations to constrain the models," said Søren Meibom of Harvard University, who is also not involved with the project.

    Strong winds are known to exist around high mass and low mass stars, but medium-sized stars like our sun don't appear to be as windy.

    "It is quite challenging to find strong support for [a massive young sun] in astronomical observations of young sun-like stars," Malhotra says. "Young sun-like stars appear to lose mass initially very quickly."

    Stellar stretch marks

    If the sun did lose a significant amount of mass in its youth, we might expect some telltale sign in solar system data. Some meteorites, for example, show crystal damage that appears to come from a stronger solar wind, but just how much stronger is not yet known.

    In 2007, Malhotra and David Minton, who's currently at Purdue University, looked to see if the orbital dynamics of the solar system could hold any signatures of a massive young sun. For instance, the planets would have started out in tighter orbits due to the sun's stronger gravity. But it turns out the difference is probably too small to have left any noticeable traces. [A Photo Tour of the Planets]

    According to Malhotra and Minton, the most promising place to look for an orbit-related signature would be in the distribution of irregular satellites, which are moons like Saturn's Phoebe and Jupiter's Himalia that are in distant, inclined orbits. As the sun loses mass, it could increase the efficiency at which planets can capture irregular moons. Malhotra says she plans to study this effect more closely in the future.

    The goal of Sigurdsson's project is to look in the sun itself for some leftover changes, or "stretch marks," from an earlier, more massive period. They hope to find something that would be detectable with future helioseismology efforts, which study vibrations generated in the solar interior.

    "The core of the sun will hopefully provide us with some sort of sign," Sigurdsson said.

    This story was provided to SPACE.com by Astrobiology Magazine. Follow SPACE.com for the latest in space science and exploration news on Twitter @Spacedotcom and on Facebook.

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    85 comments

    • michael  •  2 months ago
      You can see the politics in this story between the man caused global temperature increase and perhaps the sun standard model is wrong folks. The climate, man is causing global warming crowd, completely ignore any other theory that might make them look dumb unless you rub their faces in the dirt, reminds me of a bunch of kindergarteners. Since the earth stopped warming in 1997 one would hope the people studying this would leave politics behind them but that seems to much to ask.
    • Jonathan Villegas  •  2 months ago
      Wasn't the moon "conceived" around this time? A probably solution being our orbit was modified a fairly large deal?
    • oilfieldworker  •  3 months ago
      It will get bigger in the future. Thank God we won't be around to read it here on Yahoo.
      • Damn You 3 months ago
        Yep!!! and my sister's butt will get bigger too....
      • oilfieldworker 3 months ago
        I can't comment on that, but every woman I know, their butt's have gotten bigger. lol.
    • Otto Pilot  •  Spring Branch, United States  •  3 months ago
      The sun is hot.
      - Paris Hilton
    • Otto Pilot  •  Spring Branch, United States  •  3 months ago
      I thought it seemed a little dim in here....
      • Independent Mindset 3 months ago
        It's those new fluorescent, mercury- filled, government mandated bulbs. They just suck.
      • A Yahoo! User 3 months ago
        It's all these Hassidim. Dimmer and dimmer.
    • Mike  •  3 months ago
      too bad we didn't have measuring tapes way back then... that's the only way we would have known for sure.
    • Otto Pilot  •  Spring Branch, United States  •  3 months ago
      The sun has stretch marks? Then it's only a matter of time before we see solar cottage cheese thighs.
    • drill4you  •  Boca Raton, United States  •  3 months ago
      because all that extra hot air is in washington dc now and not in the sun....
      • The Resurrectionist 3 months ago
        Ha! Oh man, you took something that had nothing do with politics and used it to make a funny and original comment about politics! That's amazing, how did you do that?! Seriously, we all thank you for this breakthrough, now let's hope that other people catch on, and we can have these unique, delightful comments in EVERY story! If only, right?!
      • Damn You 3 months ago
        Hey Res.... take a Xanax will ya!?!?
      • A Yahoo! User 3 months ago
        Satanic Occult Symbols in Washington DC (Google.)
    • What Now  •  3 months ago
      Mars current state could be evidence of this larger more active sun. It has just barely enough gravity to retain an atmosphere but evidence points to a denser one in its past. Dense enough to allow for the liquid water mentioned here. Being of less mass it's internal core cooled earlier and thus it lost most of its magnetic field long ago that helped to shield that atmosphere from being stripped away by solar winds. Venus and Earth are large enough to hold onto those gasses even though Venus has a weak field itself. Could a stronger solar wind have worked against Mars and hastened the loss of what atmosphere it might have otherwise retained longer. Maybe this more intense period of solar radiation and wind caused much of its water to be broken down into its hydrogen and oxygen componants and it was lost to it that way as well?
      • geniusandinsanitywalkdown ... 3 months ago
        no matter how much gravity you have, without a magnetosphere, you will lose your atmosphere.......
      • George 3 months ago
        The Earth has it's MOON to agitate it's mantle, which creates heat to keep it liquid and feeds it's Magnetic Field, but Mars does not have a moon large enough to do that for it, so it lost all it's internal heat and it's magnetic field collapsed.
        Once that happened, most of it's atmosphere was burned off into space by UV radiation from the sun, and it's water either froze and was buried, or sublimated due to low pressure and joined the atmosphere being burned off.
        It's Gravity could have held onto it's atmosphere IF it's mag field had not collapsed, so that period BEFORE explains when and why it had running water on it's surface.........
      • What Now 3 months ago
        Thank you both for your responses.
    • Jay  •  Livonia, United States  •  3 months ago
      These folks never considered a slower rotating sun which would have given a larger diameter for the sun, without needing more mass. If they could figure out if sun is accelerating in its rotation around its own axis, they might have a solution.
    • lee b  •  Manila, Philippines  •  3 months ago
      i wonder if they took into account that a younger earth had warmer temperatures coming from its interior as well, planets that start off molten should be warmer the further back in time that you look.
    • laughing hyena  •  3 months ago
      where's the picture??? duh!
    • Zeke  •  3 months ago
      Where is Colbert?
    • Scotty  •  Nashville, United States  •  3 months ago
      Since they say methane is a greenhouse gas could more methane in the atmosphere have caused it? I know there are large deposits of it on the sea floors. I'm not a scientist, but I do wonder.
    • Eric  •  Ann Arbor, United States  •  3 months ago
      I'm not saying aliens... but aliens
    • Bill  •  3 months ago
      George Carlin was right. The sun is GOD.
    • JDAM  •  3 months ago
      Sorry we are only accepting theories that don’t conflict with the ICCP’s climate model.
    • george  •  Hagerstown, United States  •  3 months ago
      If you like your answers but they don't agree with the facts ...... you may be WRONG Just a thought!
    • douglas  •  La Junta, United States  •  3 months ago
      I'm not quite too comfortable thinking our sun HASN'T changed over time. Given this or that equation, the sun could be more of a variable star than we've imagined, and may dim quickly, or get brighter, for any number of reasons. Either way -- we can't do anything about it. Enjoy the sunshine we got, and hope it doesn't get "grumpy".
    • George  •  3 months ago
      The Earth and Mars may have been closer to the sun billions of years ago. There is some evidence that the outer planets have changes orbit since they were created 4.5 billion years ago.
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