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    Thick-Headed Dinosaur Was King of the Head Butt

    A domed-head dinosaur may have been the king of the head butt, with a better skull than any modern noggin-knocker for protecting its brain during such attacks.

    Scientists investigated a two-legged plant-eating dinosaur about the size of a German shepherd that lived some 72 million years ago, the pachycephalosaur Stegoceras validum. This herbivore possessed a bony dome on its skull, and there has been heated debate as to whether they used their heads to ram an opponent headlong, as bighorn sheep do, or to attack the opponent's flanks, as is the case with bison.

    "Pachycephalosaur domes are weird structures not exactly like anything in modern animals," said researcher Eric Snively, a zoologist at Ohio University. "We wanted to test the controversial idea that the domes were good for head-butting."

    To get inside the head of this ancient creature, Snively and his colleagues used CT scans and computer modeling. They analyzed the skulls of a large number of modern animals as well as a Stegoceras specimen from the University of Alberta in Canada. [25 Amazing Ancient Beasts]

    Head-butting is typically a form of male-to-male competition for access to females, explained researcher Jessica Theodor at the University of Calgary in Canada. So the results would provide a look at the beasts' social lives.

    "Were pachycephalosaurs more likely just showing off their domes, like peacocks with their tails? Or were they also cracking their heads together like musk oxen?" Snively asked.

    The scientists found that the bony anatomy of the Stegoceras dome was better at protecting the brain than the skull of any modern head-butter.

    "It's pretty clear that although the bones are arranged differently in the Stegoceras, it could easily withstand the kinds of forces that have been measured for the living animals that engage in head-butting," Theodor said.

    Most head-butting animals have domes like sturdy motorcycle helmets. "They have a stiff rind on the outside with a sort of a spongy, energy-absorbing material just beneath it and then a stiff, really dense coat over the brain," Snively said. Stegoceras had an extra layer of dense bone in the middle.

    In comparison, llamas would crack their skulls by head-butting, and giraffes also would fare poorly. "They swing their necks at each other and try to hit each other in the neck or the side," Snively said. If giraffes do manage to butt heads, they can knock each other out because "their anatomy isn't built to absorb the collision as well as something like musk ox or bighorn sheep."

    A good modern parallel for pachycephalosaurs are duikers, "which are cute little African antelope that fight each other," Snively told LiveScience. "Duikers have pachycephalosaur-like domes, and our pachycephalosaur Stegoceras validum had a dome that would be even better for head-butting."

    Past studies suggested that spongy bone in pachycephalosaur domes would be too brittle for use in head-butting. However, the new research suggests this spongy bone would actually "be great at absorbing energy of collisions," Snively said

    This research could lead to improved helmet designs.

    "Pachycephalosaurs had cool structures in their domes that channeled blood to a cushioning soft-tissue expansion of the dome, and the same structures may have had a dual role in structural reinforcement," Snively said. "Our particular pachycephalosaur's dome was like a double motorcycle helmet of alternating stiff and compliant layers."

    Now he and his colleague John Cotton are looking into biology-inspired helmet designs, he said.

    The scientists detailed their findings June 28 in the journal PLoS ONE.

    Follow LiveScience for the latest in science news and discoveries on Twitter @livescience and on Facebook.

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    1,680 comments

    • dad  •  11 months ago
      Clyde, "science" tells us that there IS gravity on the moon, just 1/6th of that here on earth. It has measured both this and the lack of atmosphere 1st hand. Science will never make a claim #$%$ to why the moon exists. Why do you believe that exposing your ignorance of any of this as advancing your "cause"?"Science" knows the temperature of the sun and that it's heat comes from nuclear fusion. Again, how does your exposure of your ignorance of facts, "prove" anything but your own lack of knowledge to base ANY of your asinine #$%$umptions on?In short, what are your goals short of documenting that one must be borderline illiterate to support the failed dogma of "young earth creationism"? And how do you justify smearing Christianity with the lie that young earth creationism is in any way linked to Christianity?
      • A Yahoo! User 11 months ago
        Dad, your support of science and religion is commendable. There is peace between us, not so with the radicals posting here.
      • a 11 months ago
        Dear Dad -- Who wrote your Bible? Is yours the NIV?
      • a 11 months ago
        Yes, science has no explanation for why the moon exists. However, my Bible says in Genesis 1:16, And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
    • dad  •  11 months ago
      Het 'A'.

      You posted harry's ridiculous timeline earlier:

      "According to H.C.'s biblical calculations, decades in the making, creation occurred in 11013 BC, and the flood occurred exactly 7000 years before May 21, 2011. "

      You understand that there's a bit of an issue there for ole harry, right?

      Like, the fact that predynastic Egyptian history runs right through that date with no flood happening there at all.

      A lot of other civilizations too.

      Harry needs to go back to all those well documented civilizations, and explain to them that they were all killed in harry's proposed flood of that date. Otherwise, their existence rules out harry's timeline.

      That's the problem with date naming. Forensics now gives voice to people long dead. By naming the date, harry allows long deceased people to step forward and testify as to his lie through forensics. And thousands of people now give 1st hand testimony to the fact that no flood happened at the time harry proposes.
      • a 11 months ago
        Dear Dad, Do you and your church use the NIV?
      • a 11 months ago
        Dear Dad, (1) What are your dates for the biblical flood?, (2) What are your dates for predynastic Egyptian history?
      • dad 11 months ago
        A, what do the various the Bibles I read have to do with a consistently building civilization in Egypt from roughly 10,000 bc to the first dynasty in 3,500 bc?

        The Biblical flood is a parable, and a borrowed one at that. An extinction level flood at ANY time in the Biblical time line would deny the entire history of Egypt could possibly exist. It simply does not allow for them to have enough time to repopulate, develop the entire delta as an agricultural powerhouse, and most importantly, separate so far from Noah and their Jewish origins that they would wage war against them, enslave them and then want to slaughter them for escaping them.

        The ONLY way for harry's timeline to be true, is if all of Egyptian civilization never existed, and no physical remains of Egyptian civilization exist. Is that what you honestly believe the physical evidence supports? If not, you believe that the flood of Noah was parable. It really is one or the other.
    • J  •  10 months ago
      oh, and for the record... I've been reported before (I know - tough to believe). Any time it has ever happened, I've received an email from yahoo telling me which comment was reported, and that they were reviewing it and would take action if appropriate. All but one stayed on the site. The one in question got a follow-up email explaining their reasoning. If none of that has happened to you Z, chalk it up to "server error" and quit whining. If it HAS panned out like that, then you know why yahoo didn't side with you and again, you can stop whining.
      • Glowby 10 months ago
        Lately, I've had more comment posts disappear than usual. Comment replies seem to always stick and stay stuck.
      • ROGER 10 months ago
        J - Under the recent system "update", I have not personally had any of my comments disappear, once they had gotten through the system. I have had several "replies to comments" disappear, but that was along with the initial post that I was responding to. However, with the previous system, I had a significantly high percentage of my "comments" and "replies to comments" to disappear and usually it would occur after they had appeared on the thread for several hours. In many cases, my posts were only "replies" and the initial "comment" that I was responding to as well as the "replies" by others to the same comment would remain. I have never received any communications (ie. e-mails) from Yahoo regarding these events. If I had written something offensive, or that was against Yahoo's policies for this forum, I was never notified as to what the problem was. On some occasions I have seen post disappear and it appeared that perhaps there could have been some type of "server error" involved. Overall, in my opinion , that has been a rarity.
      • ThaBullDawg 10 months ago
        So it's agreed, Yahoo messed up.....again.......
    • Glowby  •  11 months ago
      A: "'The advances made in such different scientific fields as palaeontology, molecular biology, anatomy and genetics have once again revealed the terrible scientific dilemma the theory of evolution finds itself in.' Look it up. Look it up."

      Are you kidding? These sciences have BLOSSOMED since evolution was discovered and its theories developed! Nowadays, EVERY NATURAL SCIENCE confirms evolution on a routine basis, and evolution helps lead each one to more fruitful research.

      Look it up, A.
      • A Yahoo! User 11 months ago
        You've found an ally in a creepy fundamentalist Muslim organization that specializes in anti-education work. You must be extra proud of this bit opf stupidity.

        America. Winning. Fundie sock puppets. Decomposing.
      • a 11 months ago
        Muslims don't worship the Savior, but they do know that God created the world.
      • a 11 months ago
        Evolutionism is faulty science, whether it is taught at Harvard, or by C. Hitchens, or by C. Sagan, or by R. Dawkins, or by Glowby, or by my glowing chemistry teacher.
    • J  •  11 months ago
      "According to evolutionism, death is natural. According to the Bible, death is the consequence of disobeying God. According to the Bible, we may believe that dinosaurs lived peaceably together until Adam & Eve disobeyed God."

      I just wanted to make sure A didn't get away with hiding another intellectually-challenged post.

      A, life only stops for disobeying god? Really? Could you please explain why your god kills so many babies that can't possibly know right from wrong? What do trees do that offends god so bad that he kills them? How about kittens?

      And how come there is still exactly no proof that man and dinosaur occupied the same turf at the same time? Devil trickery?
      • a 11 months ago
        J, I should have said that sentient life did not die until after Adam & Eve sinned. Before Adam & Eve sinned, all sentient life ate vegetation. Death became a curse upon sentient life when Adam & Eve, thinking that they would become like God, ate the forbidden fruit on the tree of knowledge. So, death happens. God isn't killing.
      • real truth 11 months ago
        "J, I should have said that sentient life did not die until after Adam & Eve sinned."

        So you believe there was life before Adam and Eve?
        Doesn't this go against your beliefs?

        "Before Adam & Eve sinned, all sentient life ate vegetation."
        Sentient life is intelligent life. There was intelligent life before Adam and Eve?
        Doesn't this go against your beliefs?
      • a 11 months ago
        RT, According to my understanding of the Bible, God created all the kinds the plants on the third 24-hour day of creation. Then on the fifth and sixth 24-hour days of creation, God created all the kinds of sentient life, including Adam, whom God made from the dust of the earth on the sixth day. God rested on the seventh day. He had created all the kinds during three 24-hour days. Evolution was not His method.
    • ThaBullDawg  •  10 months ago
      "If the NFL models a helmet after this skull, I think Green Bay should re-name themselves the Pachycephalosaurs"

      Go Pachycephalosaurs, Go!!!!
      Not quite the same.
    • J  •  11 months ago
      A, just for fun, let's pretend that Adam & Eve never ate that fruit. Think about this for a sec... supposedly, god had already set it up so that reproduction would occur. If nothing would ever die, how long do you suppose it would take for earth to be literally crammed beyond sustainability? Not a very good plan on god's part, unless he intended to make things die regardless of A&E's mistake.

      And for that matter, why punish his own creation for the demon's deception?
    • J  •  11 months ago
      "Evolutionists believe that if they can convince themselves that the Bible is not true, then surely the end of the world will not occur on October 21, 2011."

      A, even the vast majority of Christians laugh at your non-rapture.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      I forget if it was the Clyde puppet or the Z puppet that said they were calling Yahoo corporate as soon as they opened today to take care of those on their enemy list and make the world safe for mindless spam.

      But I'd really love to see a transcript of the call...
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      "I have 2 complete files on flood evidence from Clyde"

      Redefining pathetic by the post. Garbage copied by one idiot puppet from another idiot puppet, that neither of them could begin to argue for since they have no education whatsoever.

      Copy and paste is all you have. YOU write one post on your own, trying to argue for a specific piece of evidence that supports the concept of a global flood. That means you specifically state the physical evidence and the SPECIFIC means and model of formation that you conclude supports a global flood. Then, instead of hiding, try to defend your post as Vet, Dan, J, HardRock, RT, and anyone else who cares to shreds your argument.

      That's called debate, puppet. You haven't got it in you.
    • Glowby  •  10 months ago
      "lead, follow or get the hell out of the way"
      "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem"

      Holy dichotomy! Are these Bush quotes?
    • Rilaford  •  11 months ago
      Hi Guys - you should watch Through the Wormhole - season 2 premiere - it's about the possibility of life after death, consciousness and the soul. Pretty interesting - gonna finish it tonight.
    • Sixeyess4dinner  •  10 months ago
      The colossal coprolites... Prehistoric dollops of dung, mineralized and majestically perched for discovery, are among the rarest of fossils. Known as a trace fossil, much can be learned about the diet of the doo-doo donor.

      You also have regurgitalites, aka mineralized vomitus, yielding the partially digested contents of a stomach from millions of years ago.

      Next time you drop your drawers in the woods, or puke under the bridge, you may want to muse "I am leaving any evidence behind?"
    • Dan  •  11 months ago
      I like the "My Comments" tab. Pretty useful way to keep track of your conversations (even if they get buried in spam).
    • J  •  11 months ago
      actually Clyde, a lot of them would not agree, as the majority of Christians are fully on board with evolution, including the pope.
    • Glowby  •  10 months ago
      Green Beret - I think it's wrong to condemn all of Christianity, based on the way some disturbed individuals abuse it, or are abused by its concepts (like Clyde, Born Again, Scott, A, etc). I personally know a lot of very cool Christians who are as just offended as non-Christians by the obnoxious nuttiness of "fundies" like we meet here.

      Saying all Christians have a "disease" is like when fundies say all atheists lack morality. It's self-evidently absurd and belligerently inflammatory. I agree that Christian concepts can bring out the worst in organizations (like religions) and individuals (like we meet here). However, there are also a lot of Christian organizations and individuals who do a lot of good based on their beliefs.

      Doing good is good.

      We all like to do good - Atheist, Christian, or otherwise. We're all human beings. People generally like people, and like to help them out. There is no black/white between believing/non-believing and its good/evil.
    • V  •  10 months ago
      a prime example of what I mean. lessons from the past. Edward Gibbon on the Decline of the Roman Empire.

      Decay owing to general malaise
      "In The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776–88), Edward Gibbon famously placed the blame on a loss of civic virtue among the Roman citizens. They gradually entrusted the role of defending the Empire to barbarian mercenaries who eventually turned on them. Gibbon held that Christianity contributed to this shift by making the populace less interested in the worldly here-and-now because it was willing to wait for the rewards of heaven. "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the causes of destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and as soon as time or accident had removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric yielded to the pressure of its own weight," he wrote. "In discussing Barbarism and Christianity I have actually been discussing the Fall of Rome."

      the decline and fall of the Holy Roman Empire came much later well after chritianity had established itself and was due to several civil, social and political factors of both internal and external conflicts, much like what is happening today in America. take a look around you at the political climate and landscape and the key role of religion in the division of the country due to ideological differences among its citizens and inhabitants. it's not due to "godlessness" either. it's due to religion meddling in political affairs and taking a direct hand in politics ignoring seperation of church and state trying to hijack and usurp political influence and not knowing their place and role.

      Christ said "woe unto you Pharisees". The woes themselves are all woes of hypocrisy. Christ also said "If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor". not seeing that either. the churches aren't tending to the poor and the sick. they're spending their money building mega-churches and making political campaign finance contributions trying to hijack the American political system and under the table contributions to neopolitical outfits like NOM who get contributions from the Catholic and LDS movement among others, who also corrupt other organizations like BSA with outside contributions. so much for their integrity. woe unto them indeed.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      Reaper, the owl just flew over over and dropped a hughe load on your head. The flies are already gathering, please wipe it off, yourscaring the children
    • Mr. Hand  •  11 months ago
      A states, "Evolutionists believe that if they can convince themselves that the Bible is not true, then surely the end of the world will not occur on October 21, 2011."

      Lol A, Camping had you convinced that it would end last month. On Oct. 22nd, will 'you be convinced the bible's not true' or will you simply hitch your wagon to another charlatan?
    • V  •  10 months ago
      roger, if you truly believed that, your christian propaganda would never make it past the first letter

      "T……..is it true ?"
      -
      typical christian hypocrisy. "do as I say and not as I do"
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