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Trevor Phillips: There are people in the Labour Party who don't care that much about whether we are in power

Former chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips joins Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan on this week's Planet Normal podcast
Former chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips joins Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan on this week's Planet Normal podcast
Planet Normal Episode 7
Planet Normal Episode 7

Trevor Phillips, broadcaster, writer and former chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, is Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan's latest castaway to Planet Normal, a Telegraph podcast showcasing news and views from 'beyond the bubble'. The former Labour candidate for London Mayor tells Liam why guilt obscures media coverage of racial issues, how he knows what it's like to be randomly stopped by the police, and why he believes parts of the Labour Party just don't care about winning elections.

Plus, Allison and Liam discuss the devastating knock-on effect of lockdown on cancer treatments, Rishi Sunak's mini-Budget or "big Economic enchilada", and enjoy listeners' stories of a time before health and safety, featuring a homemade army tank!

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