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    Could the new health funding plan lead to more private care?

    The Harper government's decision to tie health funding increases to nominal GDP by 2017  could motivate some provinces to turn down the federal cash, walk away from the standards set in the Canada Health Act, and introduce their own dual public/private system.

    This scenario was put forward by the Globe and Mail's John Ibiston who believes it might make sense for some provinces to develop their own health care system, independent of Ottawa.

    "Federal funding currently accounts for about 20 per cent of provincial health budgets," he wrote in his column on Tuesday.

    "If costs increase annually above nominal GDP, which they might as the population gets older and sicker, then the federal contribution could become proportionately so meager that one or more provinces may decide it's cheaper to impose copayments or let the rich purchase private care, and forgo the federal cash."

    At least 6 provincial and territorial ministers voiced their displeasure with the new plan introduced, unilaterally, by Finance Minister Jim Flaherty in Victoria on Monday.

    "The provinces will lose out on $21 billion over the life of the deal," Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said, according to CBC News.

    "True, it does not take place for a few more years … But it represents a significant move away from the health-care table by the federal government."

    Quebec Finance Minister Raymond Bachand called the process "totally unacceptable."

    But Ibiston explains that Quebec, Ontario, and the other provinces have little choice but to accept the new deal.

    "Liberal prime ministers Paul Martin and Jean Chrétien caused no end of trouble because they wanted to impose national standards on the health system as the price for any increased funding," he wrote.

    "Since the federal government is attaching no conditions to this deal, thus requiring no protracted negotiations, it alone decides how much it will give."

    It's a take it or leave it deal - we'll see if any provinces 'leave it' come 2017.

    What do you feel about this article?

     
    • Giles the 3rd  •  5 months ago
      If they're serious about economizing the health budget they've got to do three things:
      --enforce a more efficient hospital bed to bureaucracy ratio. The number of beds is crashing while the bureaucratic and administrative positions are rising.
      --get rid of the types they are paying to analyze and consult on the system. The Canadian Institute for Health Information, supported by tax dollars, itself employs 700 plus.Obviously 'statistics' coming out of such dependent parasites are likely to be addled.
      --put an end to the swinish CEO style cult within the hospital 'authorities'. We need 'public service' officers and health 'services' . The medical budget should be off limits to politically oriented gold diggers.
      • yahoo user 5 months ago
        I agree.
      • jeeves 5 months ago
        overthrow the Harper government and it can all happen! allow them to stay in parliament and they will change Canada into the USA overnight!!! call, email or write your local mla's and governments and complain. tell your friends tell everyone you meet and discuss ways of making Canada a better place not just the north merica that Harper will turn it into!!!
      • Willy Pen 5 months ago
        My 88 year old father who served this country during WW2, was just in the hospital and they couldn't get a bed for him. He shouldn't have to worry about whither he will get proper health care in his finale days. Is that how Mr Harpo repays those veterans that gave their lives for this country? I bet if it was his father he wouldn't have to wait in a line to get medical attention. It will only get worse if Harpo gets his private health care system.
    • Shadowman82  •  5 months ago
      If people had to start buying health insurance in the future like in the US then our taxes better be allot lower by then . Most normal working people wouldn't be able to afford the kind of taxes we pay now and buy health insurance for themselves and their families .
      • OzY 5 months ago
        Agreed. Unfortunately, that will not be the case.

        What you'll see is the same stuff we saw in our city. We had a unified electricity / water bill. They said that it would be far better to split it up, since they didn't need as many people coordinating the charges between the two provides - and so they did. Guess what, when you sum up your two bills, it's about 50% higher!

        What the feds want is for the provinces to say 'nah - we don't want it, thanks', and then they turn around, don't lower taxes and the provinces have no choice, but to increase taxes to pay for the 'new health care'.

        1 more thing - what exactly does GDP have to do with a person's physical health? I never really got that - am I the only one? So if the GDP goes higher, that means that it's costing more for people to go to the doctor, and if the GDP is lower, that means it's costing less? Huh?
      • rick 5 months ago
        Get your friends to vote Tory ,Keep your friend Harper in power an some day remember the LIBERALS WHEN HE TOOK POWER HAD A SURPLUS OF BILLIONS NOW WE HAVE A50 BILLION DEFECIT .
      • yahoo user 5 months ago
        Guess who put us there ? People like you.
    • pilorial  •  5 months ago
      well, at election time in a few years we, the people, have to decide which party will give us the best deal... and mark the vote accordingly....
      • intlvu 5 months ago
        You must mean Conservative!!
      • Bill 5 months ago
        How true, I'll vote Conservative.
      • Ex serving 5 months ago
        Heck with how Heir Harper is moving the choices will be for which US party, not a Canadian political party , as we will be sold off to the states
    • Dennis  •  5 months ago
      Our little town in B.C. (35,000) decided we needed a new hospital. So the planning went on and on, 5 years later, a big bunch of the rooms are closed, test equipment has been donated to other regions, the laundry was contracted out and the equipment sold. The modifications are ongoing. What we needed could have been built for about for 25% less, but I guess bigger is better.
      • Bill 5 months ago
        Avd you had a Liberal Gov. !!!
      • dawn, 5 months ago
        When it's taxpayer money, there is no such thing as 'too big' for the opportunists who inflate their bids, or write in cost-overruns into their contracts in order to make scam way more money than originally contracted for. Happens all the time in publicly paid for construction.
      • Willy Pen 5 months ago
        There is no question there is a lot of waste in the present system. It needs to be fixed but as the saying goes, do we throw out the "baby with the bath water". Private health care is not the answer as you can see what it has done done in the states.
    • cc  •  5 months ago
      Gee, what a surprise! Socialist health care anyone?
      • Dahlia 5 months ago
        Well, it would be cheaper to go to Cuba and get your medcal procedures done there. Believe me, their hospitals are better equipped and their doctors are really good. If they screw up, there is no malpractice insurance to cover them up but firing squad. It gives them one hell of a motivation to pay attention.
    • fahrenheit 451  •  Brockville, Ontario  •  5 months ago
      The question is: Should your health care be penalized due to where you live in Canada? The Feds are sending the message that all Canadians should not receive the same care. The notion that all Canadians should be treated with human dignity was just thrown out with the bath water!
    • kidlet_anima...  •  5 months ago
      I still say our health care system is superior vs the U.S.
    • A Yahoo User  •  5 months ago
      I am not paying my taxes if I am not getting healthcare.
    • Patrick O  •  Kitchener, Ontario  •  5 months ago
      Ironic how so many Americans say we hate our health care system, and yet the main problems in it arise from trying to convert it to a more American model...
    • dudebuddy  •  5 months ago
      The actual question this article should pose is: Do you support the Federal Governments obvious push towards private health care?
    • Willy Pen  •  Vancouver, British Columbia  •  5 months ago
      It is the beginning of the end to affordable health care in this country. There will be a 2 tier system of health care, one for the rich and one for the rest of us. You can thank everyone that voted for Harpo and his gang of thieves.
    • paddlessadie  •  Toronto, Ontario  •  5 months ago
      Harper is a simpleton and an IDIOT!!!!! None of these decisions affect him bercause he makes enough money to pay for health care. Guess who pays him? We the taxpayers. So technically we the people are his boss, so we the people should be able to fire him, and before the next election if he continues to make these boner moves.
    • Hogan  •  5 months ago
      I don't see how we can afford new prisons or stealth bombers either.
    • Simon  •  Oakville, Ontario  •  5 months ago
      I belong to an online support group with many Americans. I am appalled how difficult it is for them.

      How would you like to wait three years to see if your cancer is back? They do if their insurance dumps them ["Oh dear you didn't mention a migraine in 2003 - you deceived us", said the company.] or you lose your job and your job linked insurance, or you just can't afford the premiums any more and you can't come up with $4 000 either.

      We live longer than Americans and healthier. Let's stay that way, with our not-that-bad system.
    • Pedo Bear  •  5 months ago
      Unless the harper government wants to see many without healthcare and the conservatives losing as bad as the liberals, he should stay with the current system.
    • D J  •  5 months ago
      One giant step to dismantaling our health care system . Thanks Harper
    • JohnA  •  Mississauga, Ontario  •  5 months ago
      The labs and X Ray shops are private companies alreasy, but funded by the Gov't health service. I don;t know about the other parts of the country but these private facilities here are dysfunctional and overwhelmed. Went last week for a test... You have to take a number and wait in an overcrowded hall with about 150 people... No sitting room. You stand until someone leaves then get a chair. When I arrived at noon my number was 227. and the latest number called was 91. After 5 hours of painfully waiting due to my arthritis, finally I was called. Is this the private facilities which will make our system better??? While waiting there there was a camera crew from the US wanting to film how bad is our healthcare system and show the over crowded conditions I assume..They were chased out...
    • J-SO  •  Pickering, Ontario  •  5 months ago
      Long Term Care is "joke" in this province right now--- Imagine what it will be like in ten years with all the "baby boomers" parents trying to find a Nursing Home! Waiting times are already ludicrous. Federal and Provincial governments need to get their acts together. Now!!!
    • Timothy  •  Kelowna, British Columbia  •  5 months ago
      .....Canada has ALWAYS had a "weak" 2 tier health care system. There are lots of medical facilities across this country where the well to do can spend their cash for upfront/fast treatment. The problem facing our health care system (ie: $$$$$), is the waste of cash on highly paid administrators and the purchase of substandard and often unneeded equipment. Just how much "donated public money" REALLY makes it to the stated goal ? In our local hospital for instance, a ward manager can make a 10k bonus for not replacing nursing staff on scheduled shifts, offloading extra work on those who are there and reducing the amount of $$$$ available to places such as extended care units that use that money for resident functions etc. My sister is a nurse who told me that on her nursing unit alone, the ward manager (an RN) made more in performance bonuses in 2010, than she did as an LPN working fulltime on regular wages. This BS is repeated in every province, every day................
    • JohnA  •  Mississauga, Ontario  •  5 months ago
      I cannot believe Harper... I don't know how this guys sleeps at night or even if he has any conscience. He prefers to buy fighter jets and other weapons to go and bomb countries in the Middle East, and build more jails to imprison more people rather than take care of the sick and elderly. And then I keep reading on these sites Canada is the best country in the world... Really?

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